David Green Hates Patriotism

September 23rd, 2010 | by Sqotty |

Yesterday I ran across a piece on Big Piece by Mark Seavey concerning (and excerpting) an editorial by David Green that had been published earlier this week in the Daily Illini. Green was writing about a patriotic incident at a football game, where there was a military flyover and some students began chanting “USA! USA!”.

Green’s piece is as blatantly biased as it is insulting with his references to those Americans who have chosen to serve have done so due to the fiction of an “economic draft”. Seavey also included in his piece a response to Green’s jabber by Chad Garland (an excellent piece with some interesting historical facts).

Here is what Green wrote:

The vast majority of 9/11 observances in this country cannot be seen as politically neutral events. Implicit in their nature are the notions that lives lost at the World Trade Center are more valuable than lives lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and elsewhere; that the motives of the 9/11 attackers had nothing to do with genuine grievances in the Islamic world regarding American imperialism; and that the U.S. has been justified in the subsequent killing of hundreds of thousands in so-called retaliation.

The observance at Saturday’s football game was no different. A moment of silence was followed by a military airplane flyover; in between, Block-I students chanted “USA, USA.” This was neither patriotism nor remembrance in any justifiable sense, but politicization, militarism, propaganda and bellicosity. The University is a public institution that encompasses the political views of all, not just the most (falsely) “patriotic.” Athletic planners should cease such exploitation for political purposes. They might at least consider how most Muslim students, American or otherwise, would respond to this nativist display; or better, Muslims and others that live their lives under the threat of our planes, drones and soldiers.

The overwhelmingly white, privileged, Block-I students should be ashamed of their obnoxious, fake-macho, chicken-hawk chant, while poverty-drafted members of their cohort fight and die in illegal and immoral wars for the control of oil. University administrators need to eliminate from all events such “patriotic” observances, which in this country cannot be separated from implicit justifications for state-sponsored killing.

David Green,

University Academic Professional

I am not going to take the time to pick his arguments apart line by line. I just want to hit on a couple of points I take issue with. First, he asserts that hundreds of thousands have died in the wars in the Iraq, and, I assume, Afghanistan. Okay, Iraq is currently estimated at about 100,000 people dead. Of those people killed, most fall into the following categories: civilians and local military/law forces killed by terrorists and Islamic death squads; terrorists and Islamic death squad members killed by local and coalition forces; terrorists and Islamic death squad members killed by other (competing) terrorist and Islamic death squads; people killed by activities unrelated to the war, insurgency, or counter insurgency. Afghanistan is much the same, and the number of dead is somewhat similar. But on this point it gets better. Green was on Michael Medved yesterday and there he claimed the number of dead was over a MILLION. I didn’t catch if that was for
both Iraq and Afghanistan or Iraq alone, regardless, that number is grossly inflated.

The number of people killed, especially the innocent civilians and those trying to bring peace and stability to the region, is tragic. If only the numbers of dead were limited to the terrorists, insurgents, and various death squads alone.

Green then further states that those who have chosen to serve are “poverty-drafted members”. This is insulting to me personally, as well as to the many men and women who have chosen to serve, and especially to those who have given up their lives, or parts of their bodies, to fight tyranny in a foreign land. Green is welcome to call the war immoral. That’s an opinion I have no interest in refuting, nor do I believe that I can. But he is also wrong in calling these wars illegal. But I draw the line when he spits on the service of those of us who have the cojones to serve their country. Green has obviously not read any of the Heritage Foundation’s reports on this subject, otherwise he wouldn’t spout such idiocy.

I served in the USAF. Yes, peace time service, during the Reagan Administration, but when you go in, you never know if or when you will be called on to fight (and some did see action in places like Grenada). My wife has a cousin who just re-enlisted in the Air Force, and has been deployed to the Middle East twice, and my cousin John, who is in the Army and now stationed in England, has served in Iraq in a combat role (chopper pilot) as well. We all had other options. We all chose to serve. And the same is true of everyone I know who has served, including those drafted during the Vietnam War; they chose to not run off to Canada like some of those pseudo-male draft dodgers of the era.

Question for David Green: have you ever served in the Armed Forces of the United States? If so, what branch and when do you serve. If not, why not? I suspect that the answer to the first question is no. And for the why not, because he is a chicken-dove who lacks the cojones to fight for the liberty of others, preferring instead to sit on his pompous rear while better men than he do the heavy lifting in the name of Liberty. Green, assuming he has never served, comes across as another Clintonian-style pseudo male who disdains military service. A leach on our society.

Not surprising as he describes himself as a “University Academic Professional”, which, on Medved, he elaborated as someone occupying a soft-money (grants) position at the University. Perhaps his position would be better describe as “University Academic Parasite”. Yeah, name calling, I know. Green can dish it out, but can he take it; or is he as thin-skinned as Obama?

As I said, I have no problem with people believing that the war in Iraq or Afghanistan is immoral. I don’t take issue with people being against these wars. I don’t know anyone who is exactly thrilled by them, after all no sane person wants to fight a war, but only fools fail to recognize that some wars are just and necessary, and when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan, that is a distinction I am willing to debate.

By the way, if you have the chance, read some of the comments on the Daily Illini in response to Green’s letter. USA!

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  1. 2 Responses to “David Green Hates Patriotism”

  2. By The Old Man on Oct 5, 2010 | Reply

    You seem to buy off on the fallacy that somebody without military experience can be the authority regardiding our military operations. Yes, someone without experience has the right to comment/observe, but there is no insight to the observations.
    Green obviously has an axe to grind – which protects his tenure. This makes him a wimp, not a threat. Consider the source…

  3. By Sqotty on Oct 9, 2010 | Reply

    I’m not sure where you get the idea that I have bought into the fallacy that people “without military experience can be the authority regardiding our military operations”. My whole point with Green is that he denigrates those of us who have chosen to server; he has bought into the fallacy that there is an “economic draft”. Green also hates free speech, especially from those who espouse views that are contrary to their own.

    There are plenty of people without military experience that can act with authority on our military operations. Dick Cheney and Condolezza Rice come to mind as examples. Of course they had access to the highest level of our military to help formulate their opinions on military operations.

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